Supposedly a versatile support platform. Can switch between (or run simultaneously) fighters and ewar squads. There's also the benefit of being able to position the support as needed, they mentioned at Vegas that they would be able to pre-position fighters and target locks would not be needed. So j could send fighters over to a fight while remaining a relatively safe distance away. Also don't know how capital ewar will pan out. It has potential to be a carrier specialty.

Please tell me this doesn't mean FAUX and Carrier have the same prereqs now. Why in the ever loving F@#$ would I want to train all those drone skills to fly a logi ship?

If "because it's always been that way" is the only answer you have you might as well just drool on yourself and tell me how much you like turtles. Because that's the most ******** answer to ANY question.

What benefit does training fighter skills provide for a logi ship that can't field fighters? None. It would be the most nonsensical prereq in the game. It would be the equivalent of requiring gunnery V to use a mining barge.

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That's just it, it's not different from what we have now, and what we have now is crap. They almost made is so that two of the three different ship classes you could fly with one skill (logi capital, drone DPS capital, drone DPS supercapital) would require its own training but they backed out.

If things were equal the Dreadnought skill would let you fly a Titan (since it's "just a bigger Dread" just as a supercarrier is "just a bigger carrier"), and if they ever split the Dreads into a siege version and a non-siege version then the same skill should apply to both. This idea would be considered heresy if I suggested it, however the exact same thing is somehow okay when applied to Carrier/Supercarrier/FAX because that's the way it's always been done.

The answer is not scripted hardeners, all that is doing is apply a band-aid over a flesh wound.

Just ******* keep it. Its absurd you want to go through with this change with so much push back and you still think its a good idea. I guarantee you whatever "fix" you come up with ccp, wont be as fun or unique as combat refitting.

If you can script locally, it takes out the tool needed to refit(and it will probably be weak as ****, so why bother with it. With no combat refitting you would just slap on Faction eanms because you have no idea what the ship is going to go up against), lots of fights im in revolve around securing that tool or keeping it away from an enemy.

Why would they make it better

well they are

and jump fatigue is a good thing

the removal of combat refitting is ******* ********

its actually removing gameplay

How about revamping that horrible Capital Navigation window. So instead of having to right click to jump you can have that window open and jump/bridge from that window instead to not only cyno generators but player lit cynos as well. Also it would work for blops capable operations as well . Instead of right clicking on a blops battleship to bridge through as long as you was in range you could have an option in the capital nav window to bridge thru when the portal is up. Currently makes no sense that all jump navigation requires right clicking instead of nav window.

"It is important to remember that Force Auxiliaries are new ships and can be tuned specifically for Triage gameplay in both mechanics and stats"

tuned specifically for triage gameplay doesn't sound like they're meant to be fleet support ships at all, from what I gather, theyre designed to be dedicated triage boats.

1% bonus to Siege Warfare and Information Warfare Links effectiveness

If you think ANYONE is going to waste a highslot on a warfare link on one of these things, as opposed to having a dedicated fleet booster, then you're having a laugh.

Honestly, its a complete waste of two role bonuses, they might aswell not be there at all, theyre completely detrimental if fitted to any fleet, as not only does it reduce the amount of remote reps the carrier can give out (3 links, triage mod leaves 2 slots for reppers lawl), but the bonuses are so low, you are better off using a command destroyer over them.

A FAR better role bonus for a dedicated triage boat, especially considering the refit penalties, which are going to make jumping in to a hostile fleet a complete nightmare to counter, is giving FAUX a reduction in the capacitor amount needed to jump. That way, FAUX can actually be used to jump into hostiles, reducing a defender's advantage.

Another great bonus for FAUX to have would be a reduction in the amount needed for remote armor or shield reps

Another one would be to increase the effectiveness of capacitor battery resistance to counter capital neuts

Another one would be to reduce the amount of nanite paste needed to repair modules, or increase the repair speed of damage modules.

I could write about another 20 which would actually be useful to a FAUX, but having warfare links on a ship with 6 highslots thats meant to rep, triage, and cap transfer, is at the absolute bottom of the list.

Someone use triage with low buffer ships? LULWUT?

Triage on field mean that there already is BS or Cap fleet (or t3 armor cruiser, ok). And low buffer mean hight mobility, but triage-ship absolutely hasn't it.

Can we get an idea of how Carrier skill bonuses are going to change since they will no longer be doing logistics? I have a Thanatos and a Nidhoggur and I want to know which (if either) I should keep as a carrier.

What will happen with the original Fighter skillbook will this apply to the damage of squadrons?

Dev blog doesn't say anything is happening with the Original fighter skill? Other than it is only require for light / support squadrons..

I'f I'm mistaken please point it out rather than trying to bash someone for not seeing it..

You arent looking at the big picture. Those roles themselves dont hurt the ship, but the fact that they take up a spot that an actually useful role could be in means the effectiveness is less than it could/should be.

1.I agree , that New class "Auxilary" will have bonuses to Remote Repair as Logistics Role, and old OLD carriers will have role mainly DD , as drone boats.

But cant understand, why old carriers will cant use Triage modules? They was giving Self repair bonuses too.

Triage is some kind bastion module , so dreds have one , FAX have one , and carriers? should have one too?, maye little difrent than FAX but , cant be capital combat ship without it.


2.Repair fighters in space? Target them?

Refiting in combat changes :) good ones

Role bonuses give incentive to fly ships and make them better than they are. And while they may not have a limit to the number of role bonuses, there IS going to be one, because CCP wont just tack on more of them. carriers have 3 so FAX will have 3 and they should benefit the hull and its role, hence ROLE bonus

Refitting the carrier during triage fights used to be one of my favorite game play modes. Maybe consider only allowing refitting of FAXes to only other FAXes. Sort of why people would bring two carriers to a fight rather then now one and a depot/nester/whatever.

I'm a Wormhole player so spider-tanking isn't really a thing for carriers/capitals.

Well ... we still dont have stats for capital cap boosters ... we might end up with module that is useless because its not boosting enough or boosters are too large to be effectively used ... i think minmatar and gallente FAX should get new cargo bay for theese boosters or allow them to be placed into fuel bay and expand it for those two

I haven't read about this matter and cannot find anything on Internet. Am I just bad and blind?

But what's about the existing Caps/SCaps role bonus' after implementing?

(e.g. Remote Armor Rep for HEL, but cannot fit a triage anymore?)

Ok, my bad... I'm bad

But what about the carrier bonuses?

HEL
Minmatar Carrier bonuses (per skill level):
50% bonus to Capital Remote Armor Repairer and Capital Remote Shield Booster range
7.5% bonus to Capital Remote Armor Repairer and Capital Remote Shield Booster amount
GÇó Can deploy one additional Fighter or Fighter Bomber
GÇó Can fit 1 additional Warfare Link module

So, with the new Light Fighters & Support Fighters skills being introduced, I assume that the old Fighters and Fighter bombers skills will be redundant ?

As I have both these old skills to 5 on multiple characters, will they automatically transition to the new skills or will the skill points be refunded ?

Can we get these FAX machines to add some loving towards a drone bonus? The Rorqual is outfitted far better than these.

Add Role Bonus such as:

400% Bonus to Sentry Drone Range
200% Bonus to Drone Control Range
100% Bonus to drone damage, tracking, hit points, and speed.

RIP driveby doomsdays

Is there an estimate on build costs on FAXes? Will they require more materials than Carriers?

Because the FAX is using the Carrier skillbook, and hence those godforsaken drone skills are a requirement. I get that the vets cried until CCP changed it, but I for one was quite happy with not having to train drones I had no intention of using. (please note this put the fax which was within my grasp in a matter of days well past the training required for a dread all of a sudden -- FFFFUUUUU).

Be that as it may, now that drones are once again a requirement and a FAX is apparently a logi carrier (same skills), it stands to reason to grant the ship a proper bonus.

Ssssoooo support fighters will be the logistics drones? That's the only case where it makes sense that fighters and fighter-bomber skills wouldn't transfer into them.

Carriers should have some kind Bastion Module, if u want take away Triage from carriers.


Carriers without Remote Repair bonuses on triage wont be so effective, so Triage should stay on Carriers, for Self Reps bonuses useage. Thats my opinion.
(Self repairing platform immobile waiting for reiforcment to arive :) thats point

Capitals r bigs ships and ppl should not lose them so easly like sub - caps!

That's a great idea, I wish I thought of it. However, I'm remapped to Intel/Mem on 3 out of 4 cap pilots.

I'm going to use that idea for the one. Thanks.

Do they truly believe Minmatar and Gallente Force Auxiliaries are going to compete with Caldari and Amarr? Well we never know.

So its pointless to have the light/support Skills? or will they provide some bonus to their drones, like n% bonus to damage, Durability etc ?

It's about time you tell us how exactly those new fighters work and how the stats are

The Light Fighter and Support Fighter skills will give bonus to Light Fighters and Support Fighters respectively. More details about the fighter transition plan will come in a later blog.

whops... not sure why I didn't see that ... thanks !

Would be nice to get the Numbers anyways

I'm hoping that they change this so all FAUX ships get same bonuses to resistance and all recieve the shield armor and cap transfer ability the thing that always made the archon and chimera preferable to the other 2 races was the resistance bonus and with the archon/aeon pilot being able to use a slave set made this is what made it king of the hill so leveling this would make a much better thing than repair amount bonus as hp and resistances is whats really needed.

I had a few thoughts regarding carriers and FAUXs I wanted to get down. They're more relevant to carriers overall, but involve the new guys a little.

Carriers have languished at the tail end of the Capital spectrum for a little while now, from as early as the time Dreads existed, and even more so when Titans went single-target DD and Supers became a thing. What has long been considered a proper non-fancy (t2 and maybe some faction) Carrier fit will melt in 30 seconds under the fire of five Dreads or Supers, or simply be taken off the field by a Titan. The same can not be said for the other way around. Carriers have been getting pushed more and more towards being "big sub-caps"; 2-3k dps beached whales with slow align and warp, with slow-locking heavy logistics on the side.

With this balance change, the Logistics side of things is disappearing. Carriers will now be nothing more than oversized drone boats vulnerable to just about everything else on the battlefield. They really are "big sub-caps", and it's time to start treating them that way.

Improve agility (align time) and warp speed, so Carriers/FAUX can better keep up with a heavy roaming fleet. Keep them below a BS but above where they are now. Modify cost through manufacturing needs so the hull itself (no mods) winds up averaging about 600M, tops. Reduce signature radius so that they remain fully vulnerable to sub-caps, but take less-than-full damage from capital weapons (about half), including fighter-bombers. Improve lock speed slightly to be closer to a BS.

Not sure what you're planning to do with Drone Controls, but definitely leave them in, and either allow more squads or more fighters per squad, whichever seems more balanced.

Now on to skill bonuses. These are purely for carriers.

Gallente: Fighter damage and local tank performance. Amarr: Fighter damage and armor resists. Minmatar: Fighter health and local tank performance. Caldari: Fighter health and shield resists.

Role bonus: Racially appropriate bonus to support fighters. IE Amarr: Neut, Gallente: Damps, Caldari: ECM, Minmatar: Webs

if combat refitting is such an issue, kill the refitting timer restriction if the ship with the fleet hanger is Triaged. now there is a consequence to refitting on the fly and the enemy team gets a nice visual to know its happening in front of their eyeholes.

it also adds to the need for FAX ships in fleet combat where in-fight refitting is wanted, while not screwing with passive refitting offered from other ships (nestor, ect)

LOL "Can't Touch This" Damage Control. Here's how this module will be used: a pair of carriers (or FAX, whatever) will sit comfortably inside a docking ring refitting these off each other all day as they burn out. Other ships will be used to kill people who aggress them, the carriers themselves won't get weapon timers and thus won't be restricted from having 99% resists all day. They are a horrible idea in every respect and should've been scrubbed from the whiteboard less than a minute after being conceived.


Now please stop killing EVE, I liked this game.

Groups of triaged caps will only be a strong as the tank of the individual ship. You only need to break 1 triage during its 5 min timer to kill all of them (eventually.) Combat refitting was a tactic employed by skilled pilots to increase the survivability of their ship. But even with this mechanic triage will die eventually. Heat damage, pilot fatigue, pilot error or even your fleet getting reinforcements which tips the fight in your favour. It is an exercise in patience.

If you cant break a triage then why are you still engaging. its the same as if the enemy drops 20 guardians. If you cant break it leave or bring something that can.

All Capitals have "bastion modules" carriers should have one too.



FAX + Triage (give RR bonuses)
Carrier + Triage (give Self Rep bonuses. )



Pls , think abaut how re design Triage module:)
Simplest way always to take away somthing from ppl.?

Why would I fly a carrier for the same DPS and 5x the effort? The micromanagement is what does it. It turns a simple hull split into a ship class being put out to pasture.

Hi. I was reading upon your new dev blog about the Force Auxiliary capital, Skills, Modules and refitting. as I was looking though the new roles and bonus I came across the Minmatar Force Auxiliary carrier bonus (the current capital ship I fly now). I only fly the Minmatar carrier for the current bonus of 7.5% bonus to Remote Armor Repairer amount. I have only trained Minmatar skills for the carrier and not long ago I got it to lvl 5. now the remote armor amount bonus is going to the amarr carrier plus I live in a wolf rayet WH with mean the new 7.5% bonus to local Shield Booster amount on the Minmatar fax is not a bonus for me but a disadvantage

on top of that I trained the Minmatar carrier skill to lvl 5 when I took a break from eve but I did not stop paying for it each month as I would use the training time. now it comes I lose that as well.

I just spent -ú40.00 on AUR to get extractors before I seen the reworking blog about the Force Auxiliary capital and put 6 months on 2 of my accounts

I have 85mil skill points as well so I only get 150k sp per injector

yeah I think that would be more fair to all players.

I am sad to see the combat refitting is still to go. That was hard, fun and engaging.
In the dev blog you mentioned that you want to change it through the different modules you can fit to the capitals.
You mentioned a few in the dev blog, is that all of them or are you guys planning more?
It is a bit hard trying to see the impact of the changes when not all the pieces of the puzzle are there.
Time is also an issue in these fax bonuses, how long until cap boosters run out?
That is the thing to know before you warp it to the fight.

What about combat refitting in PVE?

Are you planning on making refitting in space not possible while you have a 5min Non-Capsuleer Log-Off Timer?

Or are you going to give people a 60 second weapons timer for shooting NPC's?

Combat Reffiting
What do you think about giving Nestors a role bonus so it can combat refit (Nestors and only Nestors)?